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Smigit · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:43 am **Posts:** 51

BugMeNot wrote:

People in Australia are starting to receive their 2407's:

http://bulkbuyer.com.au/community/forum ... .aspx#6447

hehe I got quoted on their forums.

Anyway yeah, so it is definetly an issue. I'm gona hold back now and wait for a new revision or for an affordable alternative to arrive. Unfortunatly in Australia you have to pay Alot more for any alternatives and I really want the HDCP which was my motivation for not getting a 2405 so I'm pretty starved for choice. I think it's back to the waiting game for me which will be a drag as I'm sure it's gona be alot more difficult to keep track of revision numbers, especially from Australia where the markets alot smaller.

All I can do I guess for now, I havent seen any other panel that I would like that isnt about 150% of the price of the Dell one and to be honest Dell have quite a good support policy despite the monitor turning out a bit dud. I mean, being able to do a no fuss return for the 1st 2 weeks is really ideal, especially for such an itel as an lcd.

shannada · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 2:33 am

bandito wrote:

The problem mainly lies at the dvi input due to firmware or otherwise, until Dell issue new firmware(unlikely) or a newer revision, it is better to hold of purchasing 2407,

p.s. :cry:

it sucks to be a beta tester.

Thanks for your input bandito. Sorry to hear about your problems with the 2407. It is obviously a big let down for everybody, and I was so looking forward to getting a new 2407.

I am sure that your advice will help a lot of people decide which way they want to go with ordering either the 2405 or the 2407. There is still ongoing debate on this point on some Aussie and Singaporean forums.
Eg:
Australia
http://bulkbuyer.com.au/community/forum ... .aspx#6472
Singapore
http://www.vrforums.com/showthread.php? ... 129&page=4

I guess I should just get the 2405 while I still can. Ta mate.

jasondefaoite · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 2:52 am

shannada

I'm also in Singapore. Been waiting for the 2407 for the last couple of months. After the news from Japan, very disappointed. Anyways when the price of the 2405 dropped back to reasonable levels, I just ordered it (a couple of days ago), so I've given up on the 2407.

My only concern now is if the 2407 is using similar components to the 2405, is there any chance the 2405 will have the same issues. If that happens I will be very pissed.

shannada · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 3:52 am

jasondefaoite wrote:

shannada

I'm also in Singapore. Been waiting for the 2407 for the last couple of months. After the news from Japan, very disappointed. Anyways when the price of the 2405 dropped back to reasonable levels, I just ordered it (a couple of days ago), so I've given up on the 2407.

My only concern now is if the 2407 is using similar components to the 2405, is there any chance the 2405 will have the same issues. If that happens I will be very pissed.

jasondefaoite, I don't think the 2405 and 2407 use similar components (except for the Genesis controller) based on the what I have read in various postings in this and other forums. From what I gather the 2405 uses a PVA panel and the 2407 uses an S-PVA panel. S-PVA is supposed to be better, but for some reason the way it has been implemented has resulted in blurry text and colour banding in the case of the 2407 (based on a few instances reported in this forum). Hence all the controversy.

I understand that the Samsung 244T uses the same LCD panel as the Dell 2407, which is the Samsung S-PVA (LTM240M2). But the Dell 2405 uses a previous version panel called the Samsung PVA (LTM240M1-L01).
Here is a review on the 2405 which should assuage your concerns (you've probably seen this one before): http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1412

Based on anecdotal reports and reviews from sites like Trusted Reviews it does not seem likely that the 2405 will experience problems similar to the 2407.

So I have made a call to go with the 2405, and just now placed an order with Dell Singapore for the 2405 at S$1344 including GST and delivery.

Please let me know how you go when you get yours. I have arranged to take delivery of mine on 22nd May due to being overseas for work reasons until then.

jasondefaoite · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 4:39 am

shannada, I was primarily referring to the electronic drive board rather than the panel

If the issue with the 2407 lies there, is it not possible that the 2405 may be similarly affected? I know a lot of ifs ... but ya never know.

Hang on, S$1344. You got to tell me how you got that price! :shock:

Smigit · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:43 am **Posts:** 51

the 2405 March revision doesnt have these issues. People in this very thread seem very happy with them

shannada · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 5:01 am

Hmmm...interesting point about the electronic drive board. :idea:

But it seems that the latest revisions of the 2405 are as good as they come, in terms of 24" LCDs at this price point. There seem to be few complaints about the 2405 from all the (many) forums and professional reviews I have read about the 2405. It does seem unlikely that our 2405s when they arrive will display any significant problems of text blurring and colour banding that we are hearing much ado about with the the 2007FPW and 2407FPW. Fingers crossed...!

Which made it a little easier for me to decide to go with the known picture quality of the 2405 over the possibly suspect picture quality of the 2407.

The S$1344 price I got from Dell Singapore is a corporate discount on top of today's online promo price of $1449, which itself is the cheapest I have ever seen it advertised in Singapore. A few lucky guys in Oz got an even better deal for A$1020 or about S$1234, but they had to go through bulkbuy.com.au. No such mass order company operating here in Singapore.
Of course our lucky American friends get the best price at approx US$600 (less than S$1000) in some cases. Unfortunately it seems the Brits get the raw deal on pricing. Wonder why?

Ubik · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 5:10 am

Has anyone heard of the monitor making it to the UK shores? The release date was given as the 3rd May but I've seen nothing on the dell uk site yet.

Now it seems that the newer model is going down the pan, I'm think the 30" Dell is the way to go. HDCP is a must for me.

I'm just amazed as to how dell could release the monitor with such below par performance. You assume they must have tested all this stuff.

I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to LCD tech, but I remember reading that windows Vista (or whatever its called now

) rendered fonts more effectively. Could this be anything to do with the problem?

Has anyone tested a 2407 on a beta vista?

J-Alex · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 6:04 am

New deals day with Dell is a Thursday, so I think the 2407WFP will apear on the UK site tomorrow.

Still not sure whether to go for a 2405FPW, currently no deals on the site though, it's at full price of Ã‚Â£940 :cry:

tursca · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 7:33 am

HI!

I was wondering if you could help me? A store near by sell's Dell 2405FPW, and i would like to know, how can i tell if it's the 2405 March 2006 revision?

They will shurely try to sell it to me like it is, so is there any way of knowing? Are there any s. numbers or anything?

I was also waiting for 2407, but after reading this posts i don't know anymore.... BTW great topic!

FearTec · **Joined:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:07 am **Posts:** 16

Fuzzy Text Fix (maybe). The shadow remains but this fixes text a little.

In the 2407's Menu "Display Settings" menu there is a "Phase" menu and the factory default value is "3", IMHO it should be set uo '50' as '3' makes all test fuzzy.

Text shadows are still there but IMHO it is not as noticable with the 'Phase' set to '3'.

I will take and post photos soon.

FearTec · **Joined:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:07 am **Posts:** 16

shannada wrote:

doraemon555 wrote:

It seems that more ppl in Japan returning 2407 to Some kind guy dismantled 2407. :wink:

Genesis chip confirmed from these pics.
Someone said "From these pictures, 2407 components are nice, suspect might be a firmware."

Hello, I am on the verge of buying a Dell 2407 when I saw your posting on the 2407 problems. Currently, I can still get the 2405 from Dell because they are clearing out their remaining stock of 2405s before they launch the 2407 in Singapore at an as yet unspecified date. But probably very soon given that Australia already has the 2407 available and Singapore and Australia seem to be on the same AsiaPac sales/supply chain.

Based on your information about Japan spec 2407, I am not so sure I should wait a few more days for the 2407 or to buy the 2405 while I can still get it from Dell. Currently selling for S$1449 or approx US$908, which is the cheapest it has ever been in Singapore.

Couple of questions:
What is the significance of the Genesis chip? Is this something to do with the DVI processing?

If the problems described are a firmware problem and except for the blurry text this panel is the same panel as used in the apparently very good Samsung 244T, then surely the firmware can be updated by Dell? If so, then it would make the 2407 better than the 2405 given the very positive reviews about the Samsung 244T.

From what I am reading on this forum (especially from FearTec's post), it sounds like the blurry text problem relates to the VGA connection, but clears up when a DVI connection is used. Is this right? If so, isn't the sharper picture/text one of the expected benefits of swapping from an analogue to digital video connection? Or is there another explanation?

I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on these, thanks.

A 2407FPW via VGA or DVI shows text shadows, the DVI reduces the shadow by about 10% but it is still there.

Dell need to fix this.

Check out my latest updated comparison image here: http://simon.fearby.com/temp/ocau/reviews/2407_Test.jpg

shannada · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 10:13 am

FearTec wrote:

A 2407FPW via VGA or DVI shows text shadows, the DVI reduces the shadow by about 10% but it is still there.

Dell need to fix this.

Check out my latest updated comparison image here: http://simon.fearby.com/temp/ocau/reviews/2407_Test.jpg

Thanks for that.

Your tests were very helpful in shedding some light on the 2405 vs 2407 dilemma.
I take it you are not happy with the Dell 2407? Will you be returning it on the basis of the text shadows? Or is this matter not such a biggie and something that one could live with :?:

Are you experiencing any other PQ defects?
I noticed from your tests that you have not experienced the colour banding problem noted by the Japan-based forumites. If colour banding exists on your panel that would probably be an indicator of a more serious problem with the panel than the burry text. This would be something that would help confirm for the rest of this forum's readers if the quality of the 2407 is highly suspect.
Cheers

tad_0914 · **Joined:** Wed May 03, 2006 12:46 pm **Posts:** 4

I received my 2407 on 2nd May. The colour banding exists.
If you don't need HDCP. 2405 is better.

tad_0914 · **Joined:** Wed May 03, 2006 12:46 pm **Posts:** 4

I checked how the 2407's brightness works with THX optimizer.
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thx026zx.jpg
When I set the brightness lower, THX logo appears double and gray smudges appears on the low edge of the 3rd left box.
The double image of THX is not due to blur (The mouse pointer doesn't look double).

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