Hello

My 2407FPW has arrived and I have indeed found that there is a shadow above text.

I have uploaded a picture here: http://simon.fearby.com/temp/ocau/reviews/2407_Test.jpg

I will test the 2405 tomorrow and see if it is any clearer. I have found that the DVI cable offers a slightly clearer image over the VGA.

Dell only supplied a "Single link DVI-D" cable and I will try a "Dual link DVI-D" cable when I can get my hands on one (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI-D ).

If Dell do not offer a fix for this then it is going back as it is very hard to read the text. I bought this to replace a dying (fuzzy) 19" Sony CRT monitor and it is not much of an upgrade so far.

On a good note I have not found harsh colour banding when compared to a cheap LCD. I will compare the 2407 with a 2405 tomorrow.

I have tested with a ATI 9800 Pro 128MB, tomorrow I will test again with a Nvidia 7800GS 512MB

I will keep you posted.[

It seems that more ppl in Japan returning 2407 to Dell.
2407 thread at Japanese forum has been recieving approximately 1000 posts and comments a day.
This thread is hot now.
I have still not seen no blurring and no banding reports there.but,
"I have recieved it now. Me,too!! Letters on my 2407 blurring!! I will returen it!!"
posts and comments like this coming more and more.
I wonder where returned 2407 go,though.

Another comparison pictures here.

2405

2407


2405

2407


Some kind guy dismantled 2407.
Genesis chip confirmed from these pics.
Someone said "From these pictures, 2407 components are nice, suspect might be a firmware."

Thanks ,FearTec.
Your post make us find that this issues are not JPN allocation only.
Keep good work.
Australian have joined 2407 quality issue circle now.

Very interesting...

Hello, I am on the verge of buying a Dell 2407 when I saw your posting on the 2407 problems. Currently, I can still get the 2405 from Dell because they are clearing out their remaining stock of 2405s before they launch the 2407 in Singapore at an as yet unspecified date. But probably very soon given that Australia already has the 2407 available and Singapore and Australia seem to be on the same AsiaPac sales/supply chain.

Based on your information about Japan spec 2407, I am not so sure I should wait a few more days for the 2407 or to buy the 2405 while I can still get it from Dell. Currently selling for S$1449 or approx US$908, which is the cheapest it has ever been in Singapore.

Couple of questions:
What is the significance of the Genesis chip? Is this something to do with the DVI processing?

If the problems described are a firmware problem and except for the blurry text this panel is the same panel as used in the apparently very good Samsung 244T, then surely the firmware can be updated by Dell? If so, then it would make the 2407 better than the 2405 given the very positive reviews about the Samsung 244T.

From what I am reading on this forum (especially from FearTec's post), it sounds like the blurry text problem relates to the VGA connection, but clears up when a DVI connection is used. Is this right? If so, isn't the sharper picture/text one of the expected benefits of swapping from an analogue to digital video connection? Or is there another explanation?

I would appreciate anyone's thoughts on these, thanks.

My experience 2407wfp, banding was obvious through dvi and any graphic mode other the desktop setting (multimedia/gamming) is much worst- the gradient even shows flickering/rearranging/switching before settling down. I use the checkmon software. The monitor does not store the 1:1 settings of dvi also. This gradient defect also effects 2007fp/wfp.

Input through vga makes gradient equalvalent to what is shown by my 2405fpw.

One dot text bluring is present in both vga and dvi, though they are pretty insignificant/hard to notice.

A genesis chip, was also used in the 2405fpw.

The problem mainly lies at the dvi input due to firmware or otherwise, until Dell issue new firmware(unlikely) or a newer revision, it is better to hold of purchasing 2407,

p.s. it sucks to be a beta tester.

Just ordered my 2405fpw for $640

Gave up on the 2407.

Bought the 2405 for $640+tax.

I have been waiting since Feb but decided not to wait any longer when I read about the possible problems.

People in Australia are starting to receive their 2407's:

http://bulkbuyer.com.au/community/forum ... .aspx#6447

It is confirmed that the 2407 Australian model has the same text problems as the Japan model, no test on colour banding as yet:

Detailed comprison posted by the aussie guy:

http://simon.fearby.com/temp/ocau/reviews/2407_Test.jpg

Yeah, got tired of waiting, got the 2405, I'm sure it will be fine.

Dell must be wondering why so many of these are flying out the door.

hehe I got quoted on their forums.

Anyway yeah, so it is definetly an issue. I'm gona hold back now and wait for a new revision or for an affordable alternative to arrive. Unfortunatly in Australia you have to pay Alot more for any alternatives and I really want the HDCP which was my motivation for not getting a 2405 so I'm pretty starved for choice. I think it's back to the waiting game for me which will be a drag as I'm sure it's gona be alot more difficult to keep track of revision numbers, especially from Australia where the markets alot smaller.

All I can do I guess for now, I havent seen any other panel that I would like that isnt about 150% of the price of the Dell one and to be honest Dell have quite a good support policy despite the monitor turning out a bit dud. I mean, being able to do a no fuss return for the 1st 2 weeks is really ideal, especially for such an itel as an lcd.

Thanks for your input bandito. Sorry to hear about your problems with the 2407. It is obviously a big let down for everybody, and I was so looking forward to getting a new 2407.

I am sure that your advice will help a lot of people decide which way they want to go with ordering either the 2405 or the 2407. There is still ongoing debate on this point on some Aussie and Singaporean forums.
Eg:
Australia
http://bulkbuyer.com.au/community/forum ... .aspx#6472
Singapore
http://www.vrforums.com/showthread.php? ... 129&page=4

I guess I should just get the 2405 while I still can. Ta mate.

shannada

I'm also in Singapore. Been waiting for the 2407 for the last couple of months. After the news from Japan, very disappointed. Anyways when the price of the 2405 dropped back to reasonable levels, I just ordered it (a couple of days ago), so I've given up on the 2407.

My only concern now is if the 2407 is using similar components to the 2405, is there any chance the 2405 will have the same issues. If that happens I will be very pissed.

jasondefaoite, I don't think the 2405 and 2407 use similar components (except for the Genesis controller) based on the what I have read in various postings in this and other forums. From what I gather the 2405 uses a PVA panel and the 2407 uses an S-PVA panel. S-PVA is supposed to be better, but for some reason the way it has been implemented has resulted in blurry text and colour banding in the case of the 2407 (based on a few instances reported in this forum). Hence all the controversy.

I understand that the Samsung 244T uses the same LCD panel as the Dell 2407, which is the Samsung S-PVA (LTM240M2). But the Dell 2405 uses a previous version panel called the Samsung PVA (LTM240M1-L01).
Here is a review on the 2405 which should assuage your concerns (you've probably seen this one before): http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1412

Based on anecdotal reports and reviews from sites like Trusted Reviews it does not seem likely that the 2405 will experience problems similar to the 2407.

So I have made a call to go with the 2405, and just now placed an order with Dell Singapore for the 2405 at S$1344 including GST and delivery.

Please let me know how you go when you get yours. I have arranged to take delivery of mine on 22nd May due to being overseas for work reasons until then.

shannada, I was primarily referring to the electronic drive board rather than the panel If the issue with the 2407 lies there, is it not possible that the 2405 may be similarly affected? I know a lot of ifs ... but ya never know.

Hang on, S$1344. You got to tell me how you got that price!